Ch 8 Lesser

<body topmargin=0 leftmargin=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0> <table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0 border=0><tr> <td valign="top" height=90 BGCOLOR="#006699" TEXT="#080000" bgproperties="fixed" background="02c285a1erlcgo.png"> <div> <FONT SIZE="5" COLOR="#FFCC66" FACE="Arial" ><B>The Geocentric Bible </B></FONT><B>    </B><B> |     </B><A HREF="index.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="The Geocentric Bible "><U><B>home</B></U></A></div> <div> <A HREF="id17.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Preface"><U>Preface</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id18.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch1Scripture"><U>Ch1-Scripture</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id19.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 2 Evidence"><U>Ch 2 Evidence</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id21.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 3 First Second of Creation"><U>Ch 3 First Second of Creation</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id22.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 4 The Revolving Heaven"><U>Ch 4 The Revolving Heaven</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id23.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 5 Density Center of Universe"><U>Ch 5 Density & Center of Universe</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id24.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 6 Preserving"><U>Ch 6 Preserving</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id25.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 7 A Relatively Small Universe"><U>Ch 7 A Relatively Small Universe</U></A>   |   <B>Ch 8 Lesser</B>   |   <A HREF="id31.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 9 Proof"><U>Ch 9 Proof</U></A>   |   <A HREF="id26.htm" TARGET="_top" TITLE="Ch 10 Links Contact Us"><U>Ch 10 Links - Contact Us</U></A></div> <div> <B>     THE LESSER LIGHT</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Jan. 2008</B></div> <div> <B>Dear Sir,</B></div> <div> <B>Judging by the applause of the audience in debates at universities; creationist always win against evolutionist on all subjects ranging from fossils, rock strata, bombardier beetle, mutations, forming of the grand canyon, heat of the earth, radiometric dating, flow of nickel from rivers into the ocean, receding rate of Niagara Falls, the second law of thermodynamics and etc. Then you agree with the secular evolutionists that </B></div> <div> <B>the stars are millions of light years away. Light from the stars cannot get to the earth in 6000 years, let alone one day. Creationists have suggested several solutions: the decreasing speed of light, time dilation in outer space and starlight created in transit. Creationists themselves are not happy with any of these solutions and admit that their biggest problem is the size of the universe. </B><B><U>They also admit that it is a serious</U></B><B> problem.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>We “true” Christians sometimes rebuke those Christians who seem to disbelieve certain parts of the Bible. For example, creationists can't understand how someone can say they believe in Jesus, but still deny that God created everything is six literal days. We point out that such people prefer to believe scientists over God. Meanwhile, the “non-believer-in-a-literal-Genesis' says “How can some Christians be blind to scientific reality? Interpreting Genesis literally is not required to be a Christian. Why be so dogmatic over unimportant issues! </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>All Christians are unbelievers about something. If you asked many Christians if the earth was created before the sun, if Adam could have names all the animals in one day or if the flood covered the whole earth many more Christians would express serious doubts that such things really happened. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>We do not want to appear foolish to the world by rejecting what is currently believed by scientists. At the same time, we still want acceptance from God. We figure we can accomplish this feat by believing only what is `necessary' in the Bible. Likewise, how we think about the size of the universe could be preventing us from correctly understanding all that God has said in his word. All scriptures listed are King James.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Psalms 119:70 says, “…but I delight in thy law.”  How can we delight in “From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same” (Psalms 113:3), when we know (?) that the earth spins on its axis daily? The truth is that the earth does not turn.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>The simple mistake in the 16th century of abandoning geocentricity (the sun going around a stationary earth) and accepting heliocentrism (the earth spinning daily), damaged our viewpoint of the Bible. The King James Bible is openly geocentric.  The stationary satellite can be explained just as easily from the geocentric viewpoint.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>God said in Psalms 19:1 that “the firmament sheweth his handywork” not the earth or the universe.  During creation week God didn't call the 2</B><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>nd</B></FONT><B> day of creation `good' during that day as he did during every other day. The Holy Spirit omitted `good' on purpose. He is telling us to study very carefully the firmament. AND this occurred </B><B><U>before</U></B><B> sin entered the world through Adam and Eve. This is foundational to the understanding of scripture. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>The following supplies the last fact necessary to completely eliminate the theory of evolution.            A RELATIVELY SMALL UNIVERSE  </B></div> <div> <B>(Creationist and the secular world do not accept geocentricity, but God's Word does)</B></div> <div> <B>The drawing below condenses the size of the universe 23,250 times, from that which we hear about from the news media. </B></div> <div> <B><IMG SRC="0e8a6480.png" border=0 width="422" height="328" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></div> <bR> <div> <B>What is the all powerful, overwhelming evidence that the earth is turning daily? Nothing, nothing at all. See: </B><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#0000FF" FACE="Arial" ><A HREF="http://www.geocentricbible.com/proof" TARGET="_top" TITLE="http://www.geocentricbible.com/proof"><U><B><U>www.geocentricbible.com/proof</U></B></U></A></FONT><B> </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>The subject of geocentricity alone shrinks the size of the universe from the heliocentric position. However, God's </B><B><U>power is not reduced</U></B><B>. Instead, the power of His word is greatly increased, with much more meaning. We know what that secular scientists believe the universe is large and continually getting larger, but what is God's opinion?  After all, "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away" (Luke 21:33).  We are going to live forever in eternity with God and His word, not the opinion of scientist.  </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>At the end of day one, the Spirit of God, Who was covered “with light, as with a garment” (Psalms 104:2) or “prepared” (Psalms 74:16) light, was the only source of light moving in relationship to a stationary earth. This movement initiated time, making the creation of time `earth-centric. The fourth day of creation repudiates any notion of heliocentricity. Since time had previously been determined by the movement of light around the earth, hermeneutics demands that time still be determined by the movement of light, whatever its source, around the earth.</B></div> <div> <B>                         FIRE</B></div> <div> <B>Isaiah 14: 26, 27 says, “This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth…For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?” This means that God's dividing of fire has an application and real meaning. There is a reason God wrote there words. When looking at drawings of fire, we always see at least 2 points or tongues. The Lord created fire is this way because it applies in the heavens. Psalms 29: 7 says, “The voice of the Lord divideth the flames of fire.” "By what way is the light parted...?" (Job 38:24). One of the definitions of fire in Webster's 1828 dictionary is: one of the causes of magnetism or electromagnetism. The context of verses 3 - 9 is the earth and clouds. However, there is water (vs. 3) above the firmament (Gen. 1:7). This means that in Genesis 1:1 light or fire or electromagnetism made one revolution around the universe at a speed of 10</B><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>23</B></FONT><B> times per second. The Lord God then divided light or fire into 2 parts with the second part of light revolving around the earth once daily. This second part of light is called the “prepared light” </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>THE RAINBOW FACTOR          </B></div> <div> <B><IMG SRC="0e9a25d0.png" border=0 width="930" height="605" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Is the universe expanding?  “Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth…” (Isaiah 42:5).  God stretched out the heavens only during the first second of creation.  “The carpenter stretched out his rule…” (Isaiah 44:13).  It is not still stretching out.  "It is he (God)... that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" (Isaiah 40:22).  Curtains stretch but tents do not.  These verses do not indicate continuous expansion as secular science teaches us.  In looking at Psalms 136:6 we find, "To him that stretched out the earth."  The earth was stretched out, yet has a limited size and is not expanding.  As the earth is not expanding, so neither is the heavens.  Whoever heard of a continually expanding tent?  Scripture tells us that "...thou hadst formed the earth and the world (universe) (Psalms 90:2).  God formed the earth and it is the same size as it was in the beginning.  The universe, also, is the same size as it was in the beginning and it has a limit. Isaiah 40:12 says, “Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span…” Websters Dictionary says `mete' means to measure, but the 1828 Websters, which is a little closer to the KJ, adds `limit' to the definition. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>"And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud; and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire" (Rev. 10:1).  The rainbow, being upon his head, is above his face (which represents the sun).  This shows that rainbows exist beyond the sun as well as in the atmosphere. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>"[God] sealeth up the stars" (Job 9:7). He didn't seal up the sun, moon. We know the distance to the sun and moon. But, only scripture can make the final decision to tell us the distance to the stars. The Lord has put a shield in front of each star and each shield has a different color of the rainbow. The shields could be thick or thin, concave or convex; making any individual star appear either closer or farther away than it is. Different color shields affect the brightness of the star behind it. Acts 20:20 says, “And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you…”  Indeed, God has provided us with the information we need and has told us the approximate distance to the stars which completely refutes evolution. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Why did the scientists think the stars were millions of light years away? They overlooked</B></div> <div> <B>“for the shields of the earth belong unto God” (Psalms 47:9) and “For the Lord God is a sun and shield” (Psalm 84:11). Jeremiah 48:7 says, “For because thou hast trusted in thy works…thou shalt also be taken…into captivity with…his princes (scientist) together.” We have put too much trust in the god of science. “For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth” (Psalms 33:4). </B></div> <div> <B>Job 42:5 says, “but now mine eye seeth thee (the Lord). We do not physically see God, but spiritually when we understand every verse of scripture: “but they that seek the Lord understand all things” (Proverbs 28:5).</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>               THE LESSER LIGHT (Gen. 1:16)</B></div> <div> <B>(My opinion only - No one that believes in geocentricity accepts the following - comments for or against are welcome)</B></div> <div> <B>Isaiah 45:11,12 says, “Thus saith the LORD…Ask me of things…concerning the work of my hands command ye me. I have made the earth, and… I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens…” The Lord would not have invited us to ask him what the size of the universe is if he was not going to tell us the answer. Ecc. 7:24 says, “That which is far off, and exceeding deep, who can find it out?”  The only way to know some things is from scripture. 1 Timothy 2:7 says, “the Lord give thee understanding in all things.” `All things' includes the size of the universe. Isaiah 7:12 says, “Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.” According to Ezekiel 14: 8, the word `sign' means “…a sign and a proverb…” A proverb expresses the truth. So we can `ask the truth from God concerning the height of the stars or distance from the earth to the stars. Isaiah 65:24 says, “…before they call, I will answer.” The Lord knew that we need to know the size of the universe and has given us the answer in scripture. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Jeremiah 33:3 says, “Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” Job 13:22 says, “Then call thou, and I will answer: or let me speak, and answer thou me.” The application is: If we ask God the size of the universe, He will tell us the answer. Job 19:23, 24 says, “Oh that my words were now written! Oh that they were printed in a book! That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!” God has indeed written and preserved the exact words we need. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>In Genesis 1:1, God `the Word' came in spoken form (Psalms 33:6, 9). Then the Word came in human form, Jesus: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14). Then, the `Word' just changed forms, coming in written form. Am I sure? Yes. After the resurrection “he (Jesus) hath said, I will never leave thee” (Heb 13:5). A minister wrote; the main theme of the Bible is Jesus. No, the main theme is the Word.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>“Lo, I come (in the volume of the book, it is </B><B><U>written</U></B><B> of me,)” (Hebrews 10: 7). Even though there are 100 paraphrases, we </B><B><U>do</U></B><B> have the exact words God wants us to have in the King James Bible only. John 12:48 says, “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”  We can't be judged by “every word” (Matt. 4:4), if we don't have every word. In Old Testament times, they had </B><FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>absolutely every exact word</B></FONT><B>. 1 Kings 8:56, 57 says, “Blessed be the Lord, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed </B><B><U>one word</U></B><B>…The Lord our God be with us… let him not leave us…” They had every word. Now, we still have </B><FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>absolutely every exact word</B></FONT><FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>. </B></FONT><B>He kept his promise, he never left us.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Just as Jesus died he shouted with a loud voice. The Word left him and instantly returned to the earth by cutting the veil; “And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom” (Mark 15: 38). The `Word' never left the earth. Supporting this is Isaiah 45:23 which says, “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return.” Forty days later at Pentecost the Holy Spirit came to “guide you into all truth” (John 16:13). Then the `Word' came in written form. Now we are in the very presence of God containing not the image of God, but the Word of God. Only written words can come close to accurately communicating the nature of God.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Acts 27:25 says, “…for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.” Most people believe in God, but it's a different thing altogether to </B><I><B>believe God</B></I><B>. The verse makes it clear that believing God simply means believing what He says. God does not speak to us audibly now as He did in the past, but He does speak far more comprehensively to us through His written word. We have even less excuse for unbelief than Paul.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Old Testament 'original' manuscripts were written is Hebrew.  New Testament 'original' manuscripts were written is Greek. Matthew 8:17 (in Greek) is a translation of Isaiah 53:4 (Hebrew). Romans11:8 is a translation of Isaiah 29:10.  The scribes did not have the first copy that Moses wrote.  They had the scriptures!  Timothy did not have David's original autograph of Psalms 2, but the scripture. There are over 50 translations in the New Testament of Old Testament Hebrew passages. "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God..." (Rom 4:3). Paul wrote both New Testament verses in Greek when he quotes the Old Testament, which is written in Hebrew.  This means that a translation can be inspired. Job 33:16 says, “Then he…sealeth their instruction” We have the actual words God wants us to have in the King James Bible. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B><IMG SRC="0dc80300.png" border=0 width="1152" height="1072" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></div> <bR> <div> <B>How far is the Voyager 1 rocket from the earth? The secular scientists write that it is 9.5 billion miles from the earth. It started out on a certain date at a known speed which equals a certain distance. How accurate is this? How far out does the Lord say the rocket is in scripture? “I will instruct thee…I will guide thee with mine eye (Psalms 32:8). Let's look through scripture instead of a telescope for final authority. Perhaps the Voyager rocket is no further out than 1 billion miles or less. How could this be? Wheels on a car turn at a certain speed on a highway and the car maintains a steady speed, but if the car drives into “quicksand” (Acts 27:17), the wheels spin at the same rate yet the car slows down.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B> “There are also celestial bodies and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory” (1 Cor. 15:40, 41). If one star is different from another star, then most certainly terrestrial bodies are different from celestial bodies. Skipping to verse 48, “As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly” Man made objects (earthy) are on the earth. But, “terrestrial,” in the context of the sun, moon and stars, shows that man made objects are also out in the universe.  </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>The Lord has set the heavens to react differently to terrestrial bodies, such as Voyager 1 as well as radio signals, than a celestial body such as the sun, moon, stars and planets. Preposterous! Let's look at scripture. Luke 1:20 says, “…because thou believest not my words…” We need to take a lesson from Zechariah and learn to believe God can do anything He wants to do. We are dealing with the Lord who is very very very jealous of His word, which is made up of His words! Noah was told to build an ark in the dust when it had never rained. </B></div> <div> <B>Notice above what is called a galaxy. The “Great Nebula” is slightly down from the upper right hand corner. The constellation “Orion” is at the center on the bottom. In reality, the galaxy, Great Nebula, is a group of stars just like the Orion constellation.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>After traveling a certain distance, the rocket encounters “the hoary frost of heaven” (Job 38:29). The farther the rocket goes into the `frost' the thicker and slicker it gets, thereby also decreasing the speed of the rocket. According to the calculator, the rocket has traveled, perhaps 100,000 miles in 10 days; when the truth is that it has traveled maybe </B></div> <div> <B>only 300 miles. The same is true also of radio signals even though radio signals travel </B></div> <div> <B>much faster than rockets. Their speed also decreases the farther out in space they travel. This applies to terrestrial objects only; rockets and radio signals. The hoary frost does not affect the speed of celestial objects; the sun, moon stars and planet. Psalms 115:16 says, </B></div> <div> <B>“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children</B></div> <div> <B>of men.” </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>How far out are the furthermost stars? First, the words `solar system' are not found in scripture (see p. 17, HE MAKETH HIS SUN TO RISE by Thomas Strouse, Emmanuel Baptist Church, 296 New Britain Avenue, Newington, Connecticut 06111 : 860-666-1055). Neither is the word `galaxy.' Job 38: 31 says, “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?” This describes the combination of stars into a constellation. Combinations of stars are constellations, not galaxies. Isaiah 13:10 says, “For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof…the sun…and the moon” By including the words: stars, constellations and the moon in the same sentence, the author, the Holy Spirit is telling us again (1</B><FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#FFFFFF" FACE="Arial" ><B>st</B></FONT><B> time-Gen. 1:16) that the moon is the lesser light for the entire universe. Do galaxies really exist? The following is how they started according to the book of `Popular Science.' Immanuel Kant advanced the theory that the celestial objects observed as faint, hazy patches of light and called nebulae were really systems of stars. Later, many of the irregular, diffuse nebulae (such as the one in the constellation Orion) were composed, not of stars, but of extremely rarefied gas.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Where is the line at the end of the universe located? "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also” (Genesis 1:16, 17). By including “the stars,” the moon is the lesser light for the entire universe; the distance to “the uttermost part of the heaven” (Nehemiah 1: 9).</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Notice that the earth is not mentioned at all on day four. Jupiter, 390 million miles from the earth, has 4 moons comparable in size to our moon. These moons are </B><B><U>mere</U></B><B> points of light as seen from the earth with binoculars. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. This speed times 60 seconds per minute times 30 minutes is about 350 million miles from the earth. With the earth at the center, the distance to the uttermost stars is, perhaps about 500-800 million miles. Are the heavens being measured?  Jeremiah 31:37 says, “…If the heavens above can be measured…I will cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done” This will never happen. The heavens cannot be measured! But, are we measuring the heavens? No, not exactly.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>What else do the scriptures say? The scriptures further explain or define what this means. Psalms 89:34-37 says, “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven.” The seed of </B><B><U>Israel</U></B><B> and the seed of </B><B><U>David</U></B><B> are the same thing. The moon also is a </B><I><B>witness</B></I><B> to the distance of the outmost stars. The moon has something to say about the size of the universe. The Lord, the Holy Spirit, who guided us to all truth (John 16:13), and cannot lie, (vs. 35) will not alter what he has inspired to be written. If we miss the correct distance by millions of miles, we have not accurately measured anything; but we do have an approximate size, which is what we so very much need.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Where is the end located? On the earth, the temple is larger than the tabernacle. Therefore, in heaven the temple extends beyond the tabernacle. Psalms 19:4, 6 says, "…In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. His going forth is from the end of heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it” The heat extends only to the end of the tabernacle. Psalms 43:3 says, “O send out thy light and thy truth…let them lead me…to thy tabernacles.” The light of God's Word leads us to the actual truth, the final answer, as to the distance to the outermost stars located at the end of the tabernacle. Rev. 7:15, 16 says, “and serve him day and night in his temple…neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat." These 3 verses mark the line at the end of the universe.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B><IMG SRC="0eabf650.png" border=0 width="959" height="101" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></div> <bR> <div> <B>The outermost stars are at the end of the tabernacle. Several scriptures also connect the tabernacle to the moon. How? Numbers 1:50, 53 says, “…the tabernacle of testimony…the tabernacle of testimony…keep the charge of the tabernacle of testimony…” Webster's 1828 Dictionary says that testimony means witness or </B><B><U>proof</U></B><B> of some fact and the moon is “a faithful witness in heaven” (Psalms 89:37). So the moon is also connected to the tabernacle. The moon is telling us the approximate distance to the “uttermost part of heaven” (Mark 13:27), where the most distant stars are located. The moon is telling us the approximate size of the universe. The Lord through his word has </B><B><U>told</U></B><B> us the ballpark size of the universe. This is information that we desperately need to have.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Rev. 8: 1 "…there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Sometimes the meanings to words change. The 1828 Webster's Dictionary gets back to the meaning 400 years ago and in it `silence' means `stop.' This means heaven, which had revolved around the earth since the beginning, stopped rotating. The Lord now tells us how long light from stars took to be seen on the earth; one half an hour on day four! The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. This times 30 minutes is about 350 million miles from the earth. The text says “about.” The moons close to Jupiter are 390 million miles, so this fits with scripture. Job 29: 21 says, “Unto me men gave ear and waited, and kept silence at my counsel.” The Lord has given the approximate size of the universe.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Isaiah 55:8, 9 says, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” All physical knowledge of the universe must be subjugated to the Bible. Only scripture can tell us the actual truth as to the distance to the stars. Psalms 92:5 says, “O Lord how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.” The thoughts of God became His words, where He tells us what He did. To really know the distance to the far end of the universe, we need to understand and correctly apply every word. There are 773,693 words in the King James Version. We cannot afford to ignore or bypass </B><B><U>any</U></B><B> word; a daunting task.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Rev. 3:18 is directed toward the Laodicea, lukewarm church and  says, “…annoit thine eyes, with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” This is not written to those outside the church, but to those inside. The point is for Christians to use and apply all scripture, every phrase and every word. Colossians 2:1, 2 says, “…for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh…and unto all riches of the full assurance of </B><B><U>understanding</U></B><B> to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ.” To see accurately, we must understand every word.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>1 Peter 2:8 says, “A stone of stumbling…even to them which stumble at the word…” When we ignore or fail to correctly apply scripture, we stumble at the words of God. Psalms 33:13, 15 says, “The Lord looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men…he considereth all their works.” God is well aware of radio signals and rockets going into the universe. “Because they regard not the works of the Lord, nor the operation of his hands…” (Psalms 28:5). </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>In the future we know: “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven” (Phil.2:10). It is also true, even right now, that all physical objects and forces are subjugated to the words of God. Everything physical must submit to scripture. Why? We are dealing with God, who is very good at creating miracles and at the same time, very jealous of his word. “His word was in mine heart as a burning fire…” (Jeremiah 20:9). We have to deal with and correctly apply every word and phrase. “For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God” (Deut. 4:24). It is much better to be refined with the fire of God's </B><B><U>words</U></B><B> now while He is near.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B><IMG SRC="0eb1d290.png" border=0 width="285" height="297" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Psalms 103:22 says, “Bless the Lord, all his works in all places of his dominion…” His dominion includes outer space and the “hoary frost of heaven” (Job 38:29). There are all too many phrases `supposedly' with no meaning; “they have made void thy law.” (Psalms 119:126). Psalms 119:33 says, “Teach me, O Lord, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end.” God's words tell us the real truth.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Psalms 119:18 says, “Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.” Psalms 75: 1 says, “for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare.” God's name represents God himself. God's </B><B><U>works</U></B><B>, which are his `shields' and `stones,' show that the stars are relatively close. </B></div> <bR> <div> <B> “The line of confusion” (Isaiah 34:11) line marks the end of the universe. Are the outermost stars millions of light years away or are they about 9 to 12 light hours from the earth as God's word, which is eternal (John 1:1), says? When rockets and radio signals get a certain distance from the earth they encounter “…the stones of emptiness” (Isaiah 34:1l) and “…the body of heaven in his clearness” (Exodus 24:10) which slow down their speed.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Psalms 115:16 says, “The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.” On the earth and into the “open firmament,” the first heaven, the atmospheric heaven and up to the stationary satellites: bullets, rockets, TV and radio signals; all travel at a known speed. The speed is measured precisely and accurately. However, in the second heaven everything physical enters the realm of God and is subject to God's word. This territory is known only by the Lord. All physical forces and objects must submit to scripture. We examine things on the earth, but it is quite a different problem in the heavens. Scientist can see clearly with either a microscope or telescope. When using a microscope on the earth, the distance to the object is perhaps 6 inches. The distance to a star is not so easy when looking through a telescope into outer space. It is God's realm. God's word is the final authority; especially in heavens, not the imaginations of scientists using a telescope. There, scripture is the final authority.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Colossians 2:2, 3 says, “…and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” Jesus knew the size of the universe and told the disciples the distance to the stars. When Jesus left, the word, which was in Christ, was then transferred to scripture and it now tells us the size of the universe.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Deut 30: 11, 12, 14 says, “For this commandment (the word of God which is the actual words of God) which I command thee this day…neither is it far off…Who shall go up for us to heaven, and </B><B><U>bring it unto us</U></B><B>… But thy word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth” Rom 10:6, 8 says, “Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to </B><B><U>bring Christ down</U></B><B> from above:)…The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart” Notice that the question is: who will ascend into heaven and bring both the Word and Christ down to us. Notice that the Word and Christ are interchangeable. They are both equal. This means that we have the same as Christ right now in the King James scripture</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>2 Cor. 10:5 says, “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.” Scientist imagine that the stars are millions of light years in the distance; not considering what scripture says. Jeremiah 23:16, 17 says, “Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you…they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord. They say…unto everyone that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.” There are no millions of years going backwards to the beginning and neither are there million of light years going upwards to the outermost stars.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>The following is talking about Israel, but it also has an application. Psalms 78:56, 58 says, “Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God… For they provoked him to anger with </B><B><U>their high</U></B><B> places.” Scientist say the stars are millions of light years away, but God, who controls the heavens, knows the stars are at most, only about 12 light hours away. We now know the distance to the stars which we have to know to completely refute the theory evolution 100% instead of only 99%..</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Apart from the true story of Joseph and his brothers in Genesis 37: 8-10, scripture has more information about the universe. The word `eleven' ties what happens to the brothers to what happens to the stars. Scripture clearly indicates geocentricity in Genesis 1: 1-19. The next major proof of the geocentric universe comes in Genesis 37 which says, “</B><B><U>dominion</U></B><B> over… </B><B><U>words</U></B><B>…and, behold, the </B><B><U>sun</U></B><B> and the </B><B><U>moon</U></B><B> and the eleven </B><B><U>stars made obeisance</U></B><B> … </B><B><U>to the earth</U></B><B>?” The subject is God's actual words having the final authority; “the certainty of the words of truth” (Proverbs 22:21). God's words, as revealed in scripture, have dominion over the speculations of scientists. The sun, moon and stars each have there own individual orbit inside the firmament which is revolving daily around the earth; the sun, moon and stars continue, even now, to make obeisance to the earth.  </B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Prudence differs from wisdom is that prudence implies more caution than wisdom.</B></div> <div> <B>Proverbs 8: 8 - 12 says, “All the words of my mouth are in righteousness, there is nothing forward or perverse in them. They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. I wisdom dwell with </B><B><U>prudence</U></B><B>, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.” We need to use extra caution when deciding to go against the wisdom of the Lord as revealed in scripture. “Yet a small number…shall know whose words shall stand, mine or theirs” (Jeremiah 44:28); God's words or the false words of scientist. We now have “perfect understanding of all things" (Luke 1:3) and “know all things” (1 John 2:20), just as God wants to have.</B></div> <bR> <div> <B>Proverbs 22:20 says, “Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge.” The first day of creation (Genesis 1:1-5) clearly shows geocentricity. Now we can easily “approve things that are excellent” (Philippians 1:10). God's word in Genesis 1:1- 19 is excellent, especially so because this was before sin entered the world in Genesis 3:1. The 1828 Webster's Dictionary says; approve means to prove, to show to be true and to prove by trial. The physical evidence proves geocentricity and the spiritual evidence in the King James Bible proves a relatively small universe. The spiritual evidence is “spiritually discerned” (1 Cor. 2: 14) which means to see or understand the difference between two or more “things not seen” (Heb. 11: 1). </B></div> <div> </div> </td> </tr><tr> <td valign="top" height=390 BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TEXT="#080000"> <div> <I>Ch 8 Lesser</I></div> <div>                                        THE LESSER LIGHT</div> <bR> <div> July 08</div> <div> Judging by the applause of the audience in debates at universities; creationist always win against evolutionist on all subjects ranging from fossils, rock strata, bombardier beetle, mutations, forming of the grand canyon, heat of the earth, radiometric dating, flow of nickel from rivers into the ocean, receding rate of Niagara Falls, the second law of thermodynamics and etc. Then you agree with the secular evolutionists that </div> <div> the stars are millions of light years away. Light from the stars cannot get to the earth in 6000 years, let alone one day. Creationists have suggested several solutions: the decreasing speed of light, time dilation in outer space and starlight created in transit. Creationists themselves are not happy with any of these solutions and admit that their biggest problem is the size of the universe. <U>They also admit that it is a serious</U> problem.</div> <bR> <div> We “true” Christians sometimes rebuke those Christians who seem to disbelieve certain parts of the Bible. For example, creationists can't understand how someone can say they believe in Jesus, but still deny that God created everything is six literal days. We point out that such people prefer to believe scientists over God. Meanwhile, the “non-believer-in-a-literal-Genesis' says “How can some Christians be blind to scientific reality? Interpreting Genesis literally is not required to be a Christian. Why be so dogmatic over unimportant issues! </div> <bR> <div> All Christians are unbelievers about something. If you asked many Christians if the earth was created before the sun, if Adam could have names all the animals in one day or if the flood covered the whole earth many more Christians would express serious doubts that such things really happened. </div> <bR> <div> We do not want to appear foolish to the world by rejecting what is currently believed by scientists. At the same time, we still want acceptance from God. We figure we can accomplish this feat by believing only what is `necessary' in the Bible. Likewise, how we think about the size of the universe could be preventing us from correctly understanding all that God has said in his word. All scriptures listed are King James.</div> <bR> <div> Psalms 119:70 says, “…but I delight in thy law.”  How can we delight in “From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same” (Psalms 113:3), when we know (?) that the earth spins on its axis daily? The truth is that the earth does not turn.</div> <bR> <div> The simple mistake in the 16th century of abandoning geocentricity (the sun going around a stationary earth) and accepting heliocentrism (the earth spinning daily), damaged our viewpoint of the Bible. The King James Bible is openly geocentric.  The stationary satellite can be explained just as easily from the geocentric viewpoint.</div> <bR> <div> God said in Psalms 19:1 that “the firmament sheweth his handywork” not the earth or the universe.  During creation week God didn't call the 2<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >nd</FONT> day of creation `good' during that day as he did during every other day. The Holy Spirit omitted `good' on purpose. He is telling us to study very carefully the firmament. AND this occurred <U>before</U> sin entered the world through Adam and Eve. Psalms 119:140 “Thy word is very pure:”</div> <bR> <div> The following supplies the last fact necessary to completely eliminate the theory of evolution.           </div> <div>  A Relatively Small Universe  </div> <div> (Creationist and the secular world do not accept geocentricity, but God's Word does)</div> <div> The drawing below condenses the size of the universe 23,250 times (93,000X2/8,000) </div> <div> from that which we hear about from the news media. </div> <bR> <div> <IMG SRC="0ffd36c0.png" border=0 width="467" height="364" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> What is the all powerful, overwhelming evidence that the earth is turning daily? Nothing, nothing at all. See: www.geocentricbible.com/proof </div> <bR> <div> The subject of geocentricity alone shrinks the size of the universe from the heliocentric position. However, God's <U>power is not reduced</U>. Instead, the power of His word is greatly increased, with much more meaning. We know that secular scientists believe the stars are millions of light years away. "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away" (Luke 21:33).  We are going to live forever in eternity with the words of God, not the opinion of scientist.  </div> <bR> <div> “The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old” (Proverbs 8:22). The Lord's “way” was prior to His “works.” “Way” means `direction of motion.' This means that at least one second <U>before</U> God created the earth in Gen 1:1, and <U>before</U> “the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep” (Gen 1:2); God, who is “light” (1 John 1:5), “prepared the light” (Psalms 74:16) and it was moving around the earth. Geocentricity is established, even before the first day is over. At the end of day one, the Spirit of God, Who was covered “with light, as with a garment” (Psalms 104:2), was the only source of light moving in relationship to a stationary earth. This movement initiated time, making the creation of time `earth-centric. The fourth day of creation repudiates any notion of heliocentricity. Since time had previously been determined by the movement of light around the earth, hermeneutics demands that time still be determined by the movement of light, whatever its source, around the earth.</div> <div>                          </div> <div> Fire</div> <div> Psalms 29: 7 says, “The voice of the Lord divideth the flames of fire.” When looking at drawings of fire, we always see 2 points. One part of fire is magnetism as Webster's 1828 dictionary defines: one of the causes of magnetism or electromagnetism. The other part of fire is the `prepared light.' Where did this happen and when? In the beginning the Lord created light (or fire) in Genesis 1:3 and he divided it into two parts. One part started revolving around the universe at a speed of 10<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >23</FONT> times per second to give atomic structure to the universe. The second part of light, called the `prepared light' began to revolve around the earth once daily. Supporting this is; "By what way is the light parted...?" (Job 38:24). The sun will take the place of the prepared light on the 4<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >th</FONT> day. So, there is a reason or purpose in every verse. Isaiah 14: 26, 27 says, “This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth…For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it?” Purpose means an end which is set to be reached. </div> <bR> <div> <IMG SRC="100a25d0.png" border=0 width="930" height="605" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> Is the universe expanding?  “Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth…” (Isaiah 42:5).  God stretched out the heavens only during the first second of creation. "It is he (God)... that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" (Isaiah 40:22).  Curtains stretch but tents do not.  These verses do not indicate continuous expansion as secular science teaches us.  In looking at Psalms 136:6 we find, "To him that stretched out the earth."  The earth was stretched out, yet has a limited size and is not expanding.  As the earth is not expanding, so neither is the heavens.  Whoever heard of a continually expanding tent?  Scripture tells us that "...thou hadst formed the earth and the world (universe) (Psalms 90:2).  God formed the earth and it is the same size as it was in the beginning.  The universe, also, is the same size as it was in the beginning and it has a limit. Isaiah 40:12 says, “Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span…” Websters Dictionary says `mete' means to measure, but the 1828 Websters Dictionary, adds `limit' to the definition. which is a little closer to the truth in the King James Bible.</div> <bR> <div> "And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud; and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire" (Rev. 10:1).  The rainbow, being upon his head, is above his face (which represents the sun).  This shows that rainbows exist beyond the sun as well as in the atmosphere. </div> <bR> <div>                   Both Lights Apply to the Stars</div> <bR> <div> "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also” (Genesis 1:16, 17). By including “the stars,” the moon is the lesser light for the entire universe; the distance to “the uttermost part of the heaven” (Nehemiah 1: 9). This is basic foundational truth to the understanding of scripture and I emphasize again, before sin entered the world. “For thou hast said, My doctrine is pure” (Job 11:4). We cannot ignore or bypass any of these words. </div> <bR> <div> (My opinion only - No one that believes in geocentricity accepts the following - comments for or against are welcome)</div> <bR> <div> In Genesis 1:1, God `the Word' came in spoken form (Psalms 33:6, 9) then in human form, and then in written form. After the resurrection “he (Jesus) hath said, I will never leave thee nor forsake thee” (Heb 13:5). He didn't, Jesus, the Word just changed forms. “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13). The Holy Spirit just didn't work with scripture for 2 or 3 hundred years and quit, but he has guided us in every century since then, up to and including the present.</div> <bR> <div> 2 Cor 13:1 says, “This is the third time I am coming to you.” This tells us that God has already come the 2<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >nd</FONT> time in the King James Bible. When He returns, it will be the 3<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >rd</FONT> coming not the 2<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >nd</FONT>. A minister wrote; the main theme of the Bible is Jesus. No, the main theme of the Bible is the Word.</div> <bR> <div> "[God] sealeth up the stars" (Job 9:7). He didn't seal up the sun or the moon. We know the distance to the sun and moon. But, only scripture can make the final decision to tell us the distance to the stars. The Lord has put a shield in front of each star and each shield has a different color of the rainbow. The shields could be thick or thin, concave or convex; making any individual star appear either closer or farther away than it is. Different color shields affect the brightness of the star behind it. Acts 20:20 says, “And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you…”  Indeed, God has provided us with the information we need and has told us the approximate distance to the stars which completely refutes evolution. “It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.” (Proverbs 25:2). If we search scripture, we can find the distance to the stars. Why did the scientists think the stars were millions of light years away? Because they didn't notice and concentrate on: “For the Lord God is a sun and <U>shield</U>” (Psalm 84:11). </div> <bR> <div> [At first I thought that Psalms 47:9 “shields of the earth” belonged here above the earth; but then I realized that since Isaiah 21:5 says, “arise, ye princes, and anoint the shield.” Most of the shields belong on the earth.]</div> <div> Jeremiah 48:7 says, “For because thou hast trusted in thy works…thou shalt also be taken…into captivity with…his princes (scientist) together.” We have put too much trust in the god of science and their imaginations and not enough in His word. “For the word of the Lord is right; and all his works are done in truth” (Psalms 33:4). God's word takes precedence over any other supposed `facts of science.' Job 42:5 says, “but now mine eye seeth thee (the Lord). We do not physically see God, but spiritually when we understand every verse of scripture: “but they that seek the Lord understand all things” (Proverbs 28:5). “Through thy precepts I get understanding” (Psalms 119:104).</div> <bR> <div> Isaiah 65:24 says, “…before they call, I will answer.” The Lord knew that we need to know the size of the universe and has given us the answer in scripture. God did not tell even Jesus, himself, the day of the end of time (Mt. 24:35), but we do not have to know that. The size of the universe is the one and only item evolutionist have going for them. Isaiah 45:11, 12 says, “Thus saith the LORD…Ask me of things…concerning the work of my hands command ye me. I have made the earth, and… I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens…” The Lord would not have invited us to ask him what the size of the universe is if he was not going to tell us the answer. Ecc. 7:24 says, “That which is far off, and exceeding deep, who can find it out?”  The only way to know some things is from scripture. 1 Timothy 2:7 says, “the Lord give thee understanding in all things.” `All things' includes the size of the universe. Isaiah 7:12 says, “Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.” According to Ezekiel 14: 8, the word `sign' means “…a sign and a proverb…” A proverb expresses the truth. So we can `ask the truth from God concerning the height of the stars or distance from the earth to the stars</div> <bR> <div> Jeremiah 33:3 says, “Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” Luke 11:13 “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” “for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him” (Matt 6:8). The Lord knows that to really refute evolution; to totally convince atheist, we need all the answers, not just 99%. So the Lord has supplied our needs with the approximate distance to the stars, which is exactly what we need. “But my God shall supply all your need…” (Phil 4:19).</div> <bR> <div> Job 13:22 says, “Then call thou, and I will answer: or let me speak, and answer thou me.” The application is: If we ask God the size of the universe, He will tell us the answer. Job 19:23, 24 says, “Oh that my words were now written! Oh that they were printed in a book! That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!” God has indeed written and preserved the exact words we need. </div> <bR> <div> “Lo, I come (in the volume of the book, it is <U>written</U> of me)” (Hebrews 10: 7). Even though there are 100 paraphrases, we <U>do</U> have the exact words God wants us to have in the King James Bible only. John 12:48 says, “…the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”  We can't be judged by “every word” (Matt. 4:4), if we don't have every word. In Old Testament times, they had <FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >absolutely every exact word</FONT>. 1 Kings 8:56, 57 says, “Blessed be the Lord, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed <U>one word</U>…The Lord our God be with us… let him not leave us…” They had every word. Now, we still have <FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >absolutely every exact word</FONT><FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >. </FONT>He kept his promise, he never left us.</div> <bR> <div> Just as Jesus died he shouted with a loud voice. The Word left him and instantly returned to the earth by cutting the veil; “And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom” (Mark 15: 38). The `Word' never left the earth. Supporting this is Isaiah 45:23 which says, “I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return.” Forty days later at Pentecost the Holy Spirit came to “guide you into all truth” (John 16:13). Then the `Word' came in written form. Now we are in the very presence of God containing not the image of God, but the Word of God. Only written words can come close to accurately communicating the nature of God.</div> <bR> <div> Acts 27:25 says, “…for I believe God, that it shall be even as it was told me.” Most people believe in God, but it's a different thing altogether to <I>believe God</I>. The verse makes it clear that believing God simply means believing what He says. God does not speak to us audibly now as He did in the past, but He does speak far more comprehensively to us through His written word. We have even less excuse for unbelief than the apostle Paul.</div> <bR> <div> How far is the Voyager 1 rocket from the earth? The secular scientists write that it is 9.5 billion miles from the earth. It started out on a certain date at a known speed which equals a certain distance. How accurate is this? How far out does the Lord say the rocket is in scripture? “I will instruct thee…I will guide thee with mine eye (Psalms 32:8). Let's look through scripture instead of a telescope for final authority. Perhaps the Voyager rocket is no further out than 1 billion miles or less. How could this be? Wheels on a car turn at a certain speed on a highway and the car maintains a steady speed, but if the car drives into “quicksand” (Acts 27:17), the wheels spin at the same rate yet the car slows down.</div> <bR> <div>  “There are also celestial bodies and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory” (1 Cor. 15:40, 41). If one star is different from another star, then most certainly terrestrial bodies are different from celestial bodies. Skipping to verse 48, “As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly” Man made objects (earthy) are on the earth. But, “terrestrial,” in the context of the sun, moon and stars, shows that man made objects are also out in the universe.  </div> <bR> <div> The Lord has set the heavens to react differently to terrestrial bodies, such as Voyager 1 as well as radio signals, than a celestial body such as the sun, moon, stars and planets. Preposterous! We have let scientist and their talk about gravity, mass and density to overrule the Lord. Let's look at scripture. Luke 1:20 says, “…because thou believest not my words…” We need to take a lesson from Zechariah and learn to believe God can do anything He wants to do. We are dealing with the Lord God, who is very, <FONT SIZE="4" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" ><U>very</U></FONT> jealous of His word, the words of scripture. Computers condense lots of information in a very small space and God has put even more information in each word.</div> <bR> <div> Isaiah 55:8, 9 says, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” All physical knowledge of the universe must be subjugated to the Bible. Only scripture can tell us the actual truth as to the distance to the stars. Psalms 92:5 says, “O Lord how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.” The thoughts of God became His words, where He tells us what He did. To really know the distance to the far end of the universe, we need to understand and correctly apply every word. There are 773,693 words in the King James Version. We cannot afford to ignore or bypass <U>any</U> word; a daunting task.</div> <bR> <div> After traveling a certain distance, the rocket encounters “the hoary frost of heaven” (Job 38:29). Frost is in the cirrus clouds of the atmosphere, but also further into outer space. Let's remember, God can do anything he wants to. The farther the rocket goes into the `frost' the thicker and slicker it gets, thereby also decreasing the speed of the rocket. According to the calculator, the rocket has traveled, perhaps 100,000 miles in 10 days; when the truth is that it has traveled perhaps only 2-300 miles. The same is true also of radio signals even though radio signals travel much faster than rockets. Their speed also decreases the farther out in space they travel. God has set up the heavens to react differently to terrestrial objects, rockets and radio signals, than to celestial objects. The hoary frost does not affect the movement of celestial objects; the sun, moon stars and planets.</div> <div> Job 38:30 says, “The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.” The context of verses 29 & 30 indicates the heavens, not the ocean. Stones are in the second heaven. Genesis 49:25 says "...blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under..." This tells us the deep is just above the firmament at the outer edge of the second heaven, the end of the universe, and just below the third heaven where God's power and electromagnetism, which hold the universe together, are located. (See: Ch. 5 www.geocentricbible.com  #7) Daniel 2:21, 22 says, “And he…giveth…knowledge to them that know understanding: He revealeth the deep and secret things” And “the deep is frozen” saying that it is so solid that nothing can penetrate it. “The Lord by…understanding…hath established the heavens” (Proverbs 3:19). Though our understanding of scripture; God has told us the size of the universe. </div> <bR> <div> The evolutionists believe the stars are billions of light years from the earth. Creationists accept this viewpoint and then try to match their viewpoint of a young earth with the evolutionists. They compromise. They say time dilation will take care of the problem. They haven't noticed Daniel 7:25, “And he shall…think to change times and laws.” This is a negative statement. Time dilation in outer space is not a good idea. They need to look a second time at more scriptures.</div> <bR> <div> How far out are the furthermost stars? The words `solar system' are not found in scripture (see p. 17, HE MAKETH HIS SUN TO RISE by Thomas Strouse. Order from: Assoc. for</div> <div> Biblical Astronomy, 4527 Wetzel Ave, Cleveland, OH 44109 gbouw@bw.edu </div> <div> Neither is the word `galaxy.' Job 38: 31 says, “Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?” This describes the combination of stars into a constellation. Combinations of stars are constellations, not galaxies. Isaiah 13:10 says, “For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof…the sun…and the moon” By including the words: stars, constellations and the moon in the same sentence, the author, the Holy Spirit is telling us again (1<FONT SIZE="1" COLOR="#000000" FACE="Arial" >st</FONT> time-Gen. 1:16) that the moon is the lesser light for the entire universe. Do galaxies really exist? The following is how they started according to the book of `Popular Science.' Immanuel Kant advanced the theory that the celestial objects observed as faint, hazy patches of light and called nebulae were really systems of stars. Later, many of the irregular, diffuse nebulae (such as the one in the constellation Orion) were composed, not of stars, but of extremely rarefied gas.</div> <bR> <div> <IMG SRC="0dc80300.png" border=0 width="1152" height="1072" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> Notice above what is called a galaxy. The “Great Nebula” is slightly down from the upper right hand corner. The constellation “Orion” is at the center on the bottom. In reality, the galaxy Great Nebula, is just an ordinary group of stars.</div> <bR> <div> Psalms 115:16 says, “The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.” Understanding things on the earth is far different than understanding the heavens. We cannot possibly know “the works of God” (Ps 66:5) unless he tell us through scripture.</div> <div> What else do the scriptures say? The scriptures further explain or define what this means. Psalms 89:34-37 says, “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven.” The seed of <U>Israel</U> and the seed of <U>David</U> are the same thing. The moon also is a <I>witness</I> to the distance of the outmost stars. The moon has something to say about the size of the universe. The Lord, the Holy Spirit, who guided us to all truth (John 16:13), and cannot lie, (vs. 35) will not alter what he has inspired to be written. If we miss the correct distance by millions of miles, we have not accurately measured anything; but we do have an approximate size, which is what we so very much need.</div> <bR> <div> Where is the line marking the end of the universe? Notice that the earth is not mentioned at all on day four. Jupiter, 390 million miles from the earth, has 4 moons comparable in size to our moon. These moons are <U>mere</U> points of light as seen from the earth with binoculars. The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. This speed times 60 seconds per minute times 30 minutes is about 350 million miles from the earth. With the earth at the center, the distance to the uttermost stars is, perhaps about 400-800 million miles. Are the heavens being measured?  Jeremiah 31:37 says, “…If the heavens above can be measured…I will cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done” This will never happen. The heavens cannot be measured! But, are we measuring the heavens? No, not exactly.</div> <bR> <div> Where is the end located? On the earth, the temple is larger than the tabernacle. Therefore, in heaven the temple extends beyond the tabernacle. Psalms 19:4, 6 says, "…In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun. His going forth is from the end of heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it” The sun's heat extends only to the end of the tabernacle. The sun is out 93 million miles and with the end of the universe at about 400-800 million miles. This makes the sun fairly close to “the midst of heaven” (Joshua 10:13).</div> <bR> <div> Psalms 43:3 says, “O send out thy light and thy truth…let them lead me…to thy tabernacles.” The light of God's Word leads us to the actual truth, the final answer, as to the distance to the outermost stars located at the end of the tabernacle. Rev. 7:15, 16 says, “and serve him day and night in his temple…neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat." These 3 verses mark the line at the end of the universe.</div> <bR> <div> <IMG SRC="101bf650.png" border=0 width="959" height="101" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> The outermost stars are at the end of the tabernacle. Several scriptures also connect the tabernacle to the moon. How? Numbers 1:50, 53 says, “…the tabernacle of testimony…the tabernacle of testimony…keep the charge of the tabernacle of testimony…” Webster's 1828 Dictionary says that testimony means witness or <U>proof</U> of some fact and the moon is “a faithful witness in heaven” (Psalms 89:37). So the moon is also connected to the tabernacle. The moon is telling us the approximate distance to the “uttermost part of heaven” (Mark 13:27), where the most distant stars are located. The moon is telling us the approximate size of the universe. The Lord through his word has <U>told</U> us the ballpark size of the universe. This is information that we desperately need to have.</div> <bR> <div> Rev. 8: 1 "…there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Sometimes the meanings to words change. The 1828 Webster's Dictionary gets back to the meaning 400 years ago and in it `silence' means `stop.' This means heaven, which had revolved around the earth since the beginning, stopped rotating. The Lord now tells us how long light from stars took to be seen on the earth; one half an hour on day four! The speed of light is 186,000 miles per second. This times 30 minutes is about 350 million miles from the earth. The text says “about.” The moons close to Jupiter are 390 million miles, so this fits with scripture. Job 29: 21 says, “Unto me men gave ear and waited, and kept silence at my counsel.” The Lord has given the approximate size of the universe.</div> <bR> <div> Rev. 3:18 is directed toward the Laodicea, lukewarm church and  says, “…annoit thine eyes, with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” This is not written to those outside the church, but to those inside. The point is for Christians to use and apply all scripture, every phrase and every word. Colossians 2:1, 2 says, “…for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh…and unto all riches of the full assurance of <U>understanding</U> to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ.” To see accurately, we must understand every word.</div> <bR> <div> 1 Peter 2:8 says, “A stone of stumbling…even to them which stumble at the word…” When we ignore or fail to correctly apply scripture, we stumble at the words of God. Psalms 33:13, 15 says, “The Lord looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men…he considereth all their works.” God is well aware of radio signals and rockets going into the universe. “Because they regard not the works of the Lord, nor the operation of his hands…” (Psalms 28:5). </div> <bR> <div> In the future we know: “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven” (Phil.2:10). It is also true, even right now, that all physical objects and forces are subjugated to the words of God. Everything physical must submit to scripture. Why? We are dealing with God, who is very good at creating miracles and at the same time, very jealous of his word. “His word was in mine heart as a burning fire…” (Jeremiah 20:9). We have to deal with and correctly apply every word and phrase. “For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God” (Deut. 4:24). It is much better to be refined with the fire of God's <U>words</U> now while He is near.</div> <bR> <div> Psalms 103:22 says, “Bless the Lord, all his works in all places of his dominion…” His dominion includes outer space and the “hoary frost of heaven” (Job 38:29). There are all too many phrases `supposedly' with no meaning; “they have made void thy law.” (Psalms 119:126). Psalms 119:33 says, “Teach me, O Lord, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end.” God's words tell us the real truth.</div> <bR> <div> Psalms 119:18 says, “Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.” Psalms 75: 1 says, “for that thy name is near thy wondrous works declare.” God's name represents God himself. God's <U>works</U>, which are his `shields' and `stones,' show that the stars are relatively close. </div> <div>  </div> <div>                          <IMG SRC="1021d4e0.png" border=0 width="285" height="334" ALT="TurboCAD 3 Drawing" ALIGN="BOTTOM" HSPACE="0" VSPACE="0"></div> <bR> <div> “The line of confusion” (Isaiah 34:11) line marks the end of the universe. Are the outermost stars millions of light years away or are they about 9 to 12 light hours from the earth as God's word, which is eternal (John 1:1), says? When rockets and radio signals get a certain distance from the earth they encounter “the stones of emptiness” (Isaiah 34:1l) and “the stones of fire” (Ezekiel 28:16) which slow down their speed. Psalms 115:16 says, “The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.” On the earth and into the “open firmament,” the first heaven, the atmospheric heaven and up to the stationary satellites: bullets, rockets, TV and radio signals; all travel at a known speed. The speed is measured precisely and accurately. However, in the second heaven everything physical enters the realm of God and is subject to God's word. This territory is known only by the Lord. All physical forces and objects must submit to scripture. We examine things on the earth, but it is quite a different problem in the heavens. Scientist can see clearly with either a microscope or telescope. When using a microscope on the earth, the distance to the object is perhaps 3 inches. The distance to a star is not so easy when looking through a telescope into outer space. It is God's realm. God's word is the final authority; especially in heavens, not the imaginations of scientists. The Hubble telescope makes some things clearer, but this does not help determine the distance to the stars. Only scripture tells the answer.</div> <bR> <div> Colossians 2:2, 3 says, “…and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” Jesus knew the size of the universe and told the disciples the distance to the stars. When Jesus left, the word, which was in Christ, was then transferred to scripture and it now tells us the size of the universe.</div> <div> Old Testament 'original' manuscripts were written is Hebrew.  New Testament 'original' manuscripts were written is Greek. Matthew 8:17 (in Greek) is a translation of Isaiah 53:4 (Hebrew). Romans11:8 is a translation of Isaiah 29:10.  The scribes did not have the first copy that Moses wrote.  They had the scriptures!  Timothy did not have David's original autograph of Psalms 2, but the scripture. There are over 50 translations in the New Testament of Old Testament Hebrew passages. "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God..." (Rom 4:3). The apostle Paul wrote both New Testament verses in Greek when he quotes the Old Testament, which is written in Hebrew.  This means that a translation can be inspired. Job 33:16 says, “Then he…sealeth their instruction.” We have the actual words God wants us to have in the King James Bible. </div> <bR> <div> Deut 30: 11, 12, 14 says, “For this commandment (the word of God which is the actual words of God) which I command thee this day…neither is it far off…Who shall go up for us to heaven, and <U>bring it unto us</U>… But thy word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth” Rom 10:6, 8 says, “Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to <U>bring Christ down</U> from above:)…The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart” Notice that the question is: who will ascend into heaven and bring both the Word and Christ down to us. Notice that the Word and Christ are interchangeable. They are both equal. This means that we have the same as Christ right now in the King James scripture</div> <bR> <div> 2 Cor. 10:5 says, “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.” Scientist imagine that the stars are millions of light years in the distance; not considering what scripture says. Jeremiah 23:16, 17 says, “Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you…they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord. They say…unto everyone that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.” God and his word are the final authority; the outermost stars are not millions of light years away.</div> <div> Proverbs 6:18, 19 says, “…doth the Lord hate…An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations…” and “despiseth the word…” (Proverbs 13:13). 1 Chron. 28:9 says, “…for the Lord…understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts…” This applies to the secular world.</div> <bR> <div> The following is talking about Israel, but it also has an application. Psalms 78:56, 58 says, “Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God… For they provoked him to anger with <U>their high</U> places.” Scientist say the stars are millions of light years away, but God, who controls the heavens, is telling us the stars are only about 12 light hours away, the approximate distance to the stars. The subject is God's actual words having the final authority; “the certainty of the words of truth” (Proverbs 22:21). God's words, as revealed in scripture, have dominion over the speculations of scientists. Prudence differs from wisdom is that prudence implies more caution than wisdom. Luke 10:21 says, “Jesus rejoiced…O Father…that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and has revealed them unto babes.” My opinion is:</div> <div> Jesus didn't rejoice with salvation, His bride or the conversion of sinners, but he rejoiced </div> <div> about telling Bible scholars what they needed to know, but refused to accept.</div> <div> In Webster's 1828 Dictionary `prudent' means cautious not to act when the end is doubtful. A prudent person is cautious and will not act too fast, which is good; but when </div> <div> examining certain verses, they are a little <U>too</U> cautious and miss extremely important information. Babes believe all scripture on face value and realize the King James Bible is God in written form. </div> <bR> <div> Isaiah 5:21 says, “Woe unto them that are…prudent in their own sight!” This applies to bible scholars, preachers and bible college professors, who are very careful with scripture, but are still overlooking 10 or 15 verses. “they seeing see not…neither do they understand” (Matt 13:13). One the definitions of sight means knowledge. </div> <bR> <div> Proverbs 8: 8 - 12 says, “All the words of my mouth are in righteousness, there is nothing forward or perverse in them. They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it. I wisdom dwell with <U>prudence</U>, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.” We need to use extra caution when deciding to go against the wisdom of the Lord as revealed in scripture. “Yet a small number…shall know whose words shall stand, mine or theirs” (Jeremiah 44:28); God's words or the false words of scientist. We now have “perfect understanding of all things" (Luke 1:3) and “know all things” (1 John 2:20). We know the approximate distance to the stars and that galaxies do not exist. Psalms 108:4 says, “For thy mercy is great above the heavens: and thy truth reacheth unto the clouds.” We have a clear choice; scientist or the word of God which contains the words of God. “It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in princes” (scientist) Psalms 118:9.</div> <bR> <div> Proverbs 22:20 says, “Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge.” The first day of creation (Genesis 1:1-5) clearly shows geocentricity. Now we can easily “approve things that are excellent” (Philippians 1:10). God's word in Genesis 1:1- 19 is excellent, especially so because this was before sin entered the world in Genesis 3:1. The 1828 Webster's Dictionary says; approve means to prove, to show to be true and to prove by trial. The physical evidence proves geocentricity and the spiritual evidence in the King James Bible proves a relatively small universe. The spiritual evidence is “spiritually discerned” (1 Cor. 2: 14) which means to see or understand the difference between two or more “things not seen” (Heb. 11: 1). </div> <bR> <div> Nehemiah 8:8 says, “So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the <U>sense</U>, and caused them to understand the reading.” `Sense'means meaning; or understanding. The word `meaning' means that which is to be understood; the significance, the purpose; the sense. The Lord has indeed supplied us with “all knowledge” (1 Cor 13:2) to understand the approximate distance to the stars. “Do not interpretations belong to God?” (Gen 40:8). `Interpret' means to give the sense; to explain the meaning of words; lay open what is concealed from the understanding. </div> <div> In scripture, the Holy Spirit has explained every word and where it applies.</div> <bR> <div> Daniel 2:22 says, “He revealeth the deep and secret things” and vs. 29, “he (God) that revealeth secrets” This scripture also has a future application. Today we have the Bible, </div> <div> God's revelation to man, in which we learn the will of God.</div> <bR> <div> The Lord God has given us complete knowledge concerning the approximate size of the universe. We do not have to guess. Every word applies in a particular place to explain something that we need, but it requires study and searching to find where it is.  Why? Because it is hid, as Proverbs 2:4, 5 says, “If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures…Then shalt thou…find the knowledge of God.” </div> <div> The term “light” can be applied to the intellectual, moral and physical realm. “The god of this world hath blinded the <U>minds</U> of them which believe not…” (2 Cor. 4:4). This is the <U>intellectual</U> realm followed by the <I>moral</I> realm: “For ye were sometimes darkness, but now <I>are ye light</I> in the Lord…” (Ephesians 5:8). The physical realm: “In thy light shall we see light.” (Psalms 36:9). In the light of scripture (God's word) we `see' the light from stars. We understand; we know the approximate distance to the stars. God's word takes precedence over the force of gravity, the redshift or anything else scientist come up with. Only in the light of God's word do we understand the true distance to the stars. The exact distance? No, the approximate distance, which is what the Lord wants us to know. I Cor. 1:25 says, “Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.” </div> <bR> <div> Lamentations 3:37 says, “Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?” To what does this apply? It cannot be geocentricity because God commanded the sun to stop as Job 9:7 says, “Which commandeth the sun and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.” What did the Lord say in the written record, that scientist so strongly disagree with? God `commanded not' in Job 36:32, but this applies to a cloudy day; “With clouds he covereth the light; and commandeth it not to shine by the cloud that cometh betwixt.” So, what is left? It is simply that <U>scientist are adamant</U> in proclaiming that the stars are millions of light years away.</div> <bR> <div> Jer 14:14 “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name…neither have I commanded them…they prophesy unto you a <U>false vision</U>…” </div> <div> The idea that looking through a telescope will prove that the stars are millions of light years away is false.</div> <bR> <div> The contention of this paper is that; the words "the greater” and “the lesser” (Genesis 1:16, 17) apply to the same universe. `Greater and smaller' mean basically the same thing because the word small means little which means less. Throughout scripture the words `great' and `small' are the object of the same verb; such as, “Both the great and the small shall die” (Jeremiah 16:6). They go together.</div> <div> Other verses mentioning `great and small' are: </div> <div> Acts 26:22, “witnessing both to small and great” </div> <div> Rev. 11:18, “and them that fear thy name, small and great”</div> <div> Rev.13:16, “And he causeth all, both small and great”</div> <div> Rev.19:5, “and ye that fear him, both small and great.”</div> <div> Rev.20:12, “And I saw the dead, small and great,”</div> <bR> <div> So God's word says that the moon is the lesser light to the outermost stars just as the sun is the greater light.</div> <bR> <div> My web page: www.geocentricbible.com is based on: </div> <div> www.geocentricity.com by Gerardus Bouw, Ph.D. </div> <div> Also very important; the book: “He maketh his Sun to Rise” </div> <div> by Dr. Thomas M. Strouse  Order from:</div> <div> Dr. Gerardus Bouw     </div> <div> Association for Biblical Astronomy</div> <div> 4527 Wetzel Ave.</div> <div> Cleveland, OH      44109</div> <div> gbouw@bw.edu</div> <bR> <div> Related web pages:  www.kjv1611.org    </div> <div> www.avpublications.com</div> <div> www.fixedearth.com </div> <div> www.biblebelievers.com/Doege_compare2.html </div> <div> (Comparing the written word with the Living Word)</div> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> <bR> </td> </tr></table></body>